From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 16:48 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10291 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 8C8109BA ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:04:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199605142047.QAA10291@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:01:47 EDT Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Tanya Smith Subject: Last Knight--Peaches? To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 159 Status: RO X-Status: "life is like a ripe peach" sounds goofy to me. Sounds like "Life is like a box of chocolates..." Forrest Gump. We could call Lacroix Forest Grump. (-; Tanya From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 16:54 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA11748 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 53E03593 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:10:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199605142054.QAA11748@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:06:19 -0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Sarah Welsh Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight questions To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 496 Status: RO X-Status: OK, I said I wasn't going to read the spoilers, but I can resist anything but temptation, right? For those of you who've seen it, I have a few questions: 1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end? 2) How many can be resurrected by us, keeping in mind that Alexandra had been dead for hours when LaCroix brought her across and that LaCroix was staked in a fire and seemingly burned to ashes and he came back? Apprehensively, Sarah *definite* Cleopatra welshkin@dfw.net From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Sun May 12 08:56 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA27018 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 08:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 503445AF ; Sun, 12 May 1996 8:56:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199605121256.IAA27018@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 07:52:43 -0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Sarah Welsh Subject: Mini-spoiler: Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 640 Status: RO X-Status: Just read the TV schedule's blurb for Last Knight: "The death of a close friend makes Natalie realize her feelings for Nick, forcing him to choose between her and eternal life." He doesn't want eternal life anyway! Or, at least, he didn't until maybe this season. Do you suppose they did this on purpose to build the tension? I have to admit I squealed when I read this. I haven't exactly avoided spoilers for LK, but I hadn't heard about this. We actually get to end with Nick-n-Nat episode? Oh, wow. Can't wait. I read spoilers for AtA, but I just can't for this one. I don't want to know until I know. Sarah welshkin@dfw.net From owner-forkni-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Sun May 12 12:54 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA20960 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 12:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id ABA19821 ; Sun, 12 May 1996 12:54:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199605121654.MAA20960@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 12:54:24 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show Sender: Forever Knight TV show From: Marcia Tucker Subject: Last Knight Party/Wake in Chicago To: Multiple recipients of list FORKNI-L Content-Type: text Content-Length: 570 Status: RO X-Status: I've decided I don't want to be alone when I watch "Last Knight" next weekend, so if anyone in the Chicago area is interested, I'm hosting a Party/Wake next Sat. night. The episode airs at 11:35 pm here. The party can start whenever anyone gets here. I've also got oodles of tapes. I'm providing food. I plan to wear black. Kleenex will be provided. E-mail me off-list, please, if you're interested. I live in the SW suburbs and have crash space if you want to stay over. Marcia Tucker scfimarci@aol.com Dark Knightie / Unnamed / Immortal Beloved / Light Cousin From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Sun May 12 13:00 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA21789 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 13:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 74761C21 ; Sun, 12 May 1996 13:00:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199605121700.NAA21789@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 12:59:34 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Melanie Moser Subject: TV Guide Listing "Last Knight" To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 892 Status: RO X-Status: (I suppose this is a mini-spoiler, depending on how little you like to know about an episode beforehand). Here's the TV Guide listing for "Last Knight" from the web. URL: http://www.iguide.com/tv/tvguide/programs/11/004wx73r.sml ----------------------------------------------------------------- Forever Knight Crime Drama The loss of a close friend forces Nick to evaluate his relationship with Natalie (Catherine Disher), and prompts him to make a decision that will have permanent implications. Reese: Blu Mankuma. Dawkins: Roger Honeywell. Nick: Geraint Wyn Davies. Tracy: Lisa Ryder. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I can't believe it's ending... if there's water marks on this message, it's only my tears.... :-( Mel Moser N&NPacker, moser@clark.net Check out my Forever Knight Fan Fiction page at: http://www.clark.net/pub/moser/fkfanfic.htm From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Sun May 12 15:29 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA09314 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 15:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 3B1A0553 ; Sun, 12 May 1996 15:29:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199605121929.PAA09314@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 14:36:35 -0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: TippiNB Subject: Re: TV Guide Listing "Last Knight" To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 648 Status: RO X-Status: Mel wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E >The loss of a close friend forces Nick to evaluate his relationship >with Natalie (Catherine Disher), and prompts him to make a decision >that will have permanent implications. Reese: Blu Mankuma. >Dawkins: Roger Honeywell. Nick: Geraint Wyn Davies. Tracy: Lisa Ryder. My local TV "chronilog" says, and I'm quoting from memory but the wording is pretty close, "Nick has to choose between immortality and true love with Natalie." My little Cousinly/Unnamed Faction heart is NOT hoping for one of those options, and I think we ALL know what it is!! ;) Wicked Cousin Tippi Charter Member of the Unnamed Faction From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Sun May 12 16:50 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA20500 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 16:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 87FA8AA4 ; Sun, 12 May 1996 16:50:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199605122050.QAA20500@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 16:47:01 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Roxanne Piccen Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight (Ep Synopsis) To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 894 Status: RO X-Status: Well, well, well. Amazingly enough, my local newspaper's t.v. section actually lists FK in the highlights section this week. (Figures they'd only do that for the final episode.) FWIW, following is the brief synopsis of Last Knight: S P O I L E R S P A C E "Series Finale: Forever Knight. In the series finale, "Last Knight", Nick and Natalie (Geraint Wyn Davies, Catherine Disher) lose a close mutual friend. In working through their grief, Natalie realizes how much she loves Nick, while Nick realizes he must finally choose between eternal life and true love." Roxanne RoxanneP@aol.com (Home) // CHIRMP@AM.DAMES.COM (Work) ***************************************************************************** Save Forever Knight! // Save American Gothic! Check out: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html http://www.best.com/~owls for The Trinity Guardian From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Mon May 13 14:17 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21087 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id FB4E6B5A ; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:53:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199605131817.OAA21087@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:52:28 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Valery King Subject: LAST KNIGHT reaction To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 706 Status: RO X-Status: I haven't put in any spoilers here; but I need to get this out to try to get my head straight again, so forgive me. Don't read this if you want to come to this "cold". I really don't want to ruin anything for anyone, and you might find it depressing. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 I hated this episode. Hate, hate, hate. I can't be coherent about it yet and say why in any reasonable way. Maybe when I've gotten some rest; I couldn't sleep very well last night because of this. Are TPTB really so annoyed with us that they'd inflict this on us right at the end? I'm going to do my best to try to forget this episode even exists (heck, I did it with a whole *season* of Blake's 7!). --Valery kingv@ucs.orst.edu From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Mon May 13 14:43 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA25874 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id E6B39922 ; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:42:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199605131842.OAA25874@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 11:41:19 -0800 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Elizabeth Mosler Subject: Re: LAST KNIGHT reaction X-cc: kingv@UCS.ORST.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 799 Status: RO X-Status: >I haven't put in any spoilers here; but I need to get this out to try to >get my head straight again, so forgive me. > >Don't read this if you want to come to this "cold". I really don't want to >ruin anything for anyone, and you might find it depressing. > When you are feeling better, please post your opinions to the list regarding this last episode. I am one of these odd people who would rather know in advance what to expect, then to receive the bad news cold turkey as I watch the episode this Saturday. :-(= ===================================================== elizabeth m. (emosler@leland.stanford.edu) 'Our fate is not determined by what we experience, but by how we perceive what we experience.' - Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach WWW: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/rose.html From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 08:24 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA17604 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 2897E6DC ; Tue, 14 May 1996 8:23:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199605141224.IAA17604@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 07:21:47 -0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Deb Kroll Subject: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT X-To: fkspoilr-l@psuvm.psu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 533 Status: RO X-Status: WAAAA!!!!!!! I just saw last Knight and let me tell you, have tissues ready! I can't belive they did this. I was balling my eyes out at the end. The only part I REALLY liked was when Nat says "Make Love to me Nick". Some of those Nat/Nick scenes had me floored! This one is definately a keeper, but be warned that ending is SO sad waaaaaaa!!!! :`( demona@execpc.com -------------oO-OO*OO-Oo----------------- Demona@execpc.com -- CompUSA Technician Gargoyles fan ** Forever Knight Fan ------------//oOO-*-OOo\\---------------- From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 09:09 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA25393 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 89A0FDBC ; Tue, 14 May 1996 9:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199605141309.JAA25393@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:53:05 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: "Gaylin J. Walli" Subject: Spoiler: Francesca, Jane Doe, Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1534 Status: RO X-Status: Apache(?), oh geez, someone asked what Hollyhocks meant in the language of flowers. I admit I haven't been to careful about who`s said what, but for what it's worth, Hollyhocks were meant to symbolize fruitfulness or female ambition (actually the white hollyhocks were for the later specifically). Stupid questions: I'm trying to make sure the Known Vampire list is up-to-date on the FK Website. I checked the list rules, so I think I'm okay asking about all of these episodes. Somebody smack me if I screw up...I've missed a bunch of episodes so I'm going on the kindness of strangers as to what has happened... Francesca was a real vampire that Nick accidently killed in what year? Sometime during the 1700s? Do we know how old she was? So who was Lisa? Vachon gets it, but who does it? Divia? Does anyone else get it? Who does Divia? Did Divia do her master, The Ancient one, and if so, during what year? Do we find out if it's a male or a female Ancient One? What happens to Urs? Who else did Divia do, anyone? Are there any other new vampires that I've forgotten about? I need to ask a specific question about a vampire in Last Knight, but I'm not sure if it's cool to do so yet. I checked the spoiler list rules which are silent, but it seems a shame to spoil things for everyone if I'm one of two people who's seen it. Can someone who's seen it please contact me privately about it? Thanks in advance for you help with the web page. Jasmine, Faithful Ravenette, gjwalli@mtu.edu http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/fktoc.html From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 10:06 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA07517 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 10:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 5770DE68 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 10:05:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199605141406.KAA07517@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 06:36:17 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Roxanne Piccen Subject: Re: LAST KNIGHT reaction To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 772 Status: RO X-Status: Valery wrote: >Don't read this if you want to come to this "cold". I >really don't want to ruin anything for anyone, and you >might find it depressing. Please, please, please, when some of your anger has subsided, post to the list what happened in this ep to produce such strong feelings. I prefer to know bad news in advance so I can better prepare for the impact. (It actually did help somewhat knowing what was coming with AtA. At least I wasn't caught completely off guard.) Roxanne RoxanneP@aol.com (Home) // CHIRMP@AM.DAMES.COM (Work) ********************************************************* Save Forever Knight! // Save American Gothic! Check out: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html http://www.best.com/~owls for The Trinity Guardian From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 12:06 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA07074 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 12:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id A0CA53E0 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 11:26:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199605141606.MAA07074@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:17:17 +0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: John Folden Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 959 Status: RO X-Status: > From: "Deb Kroll" > > WAAAA!!!!!!! I just saw last Knight and let me tell you, have tissues ready! I > can't belive they did this. I was balling my eyes out at the end. > The only part I REALLY liked was when Nat says "Make Love to me Nick". Some of > those Nat/Nick scenes had me floored! This one is definately a keeper, but be > warned that ending is SO sad waaaaaaa!!!! :`( I read a pretty detailed spoiler that also mentioned Nat saying that line above. I had *hoped* that the PTB would smarten up and realize what a great ending they would have if they rolled credits right after she said that line. It would have left it completely open to speculation. In the original spoiler I saw, it had Nick taking too much blood from Nat, and then actually going back for more to finish her off rather than bringing her accross. Someone else said that later it was edited and Nick didn't go back for the second drink....????? Did he? From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 12:50 EDT 1996 Received: from wnt.dc.lsoft.com (wnt.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.7]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16825 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 12:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by wnt.dc.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.626E89F0@wnt.dc.lsoft.com>; Tue, 14 May 1996 12:46:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199605141650.MAA16825@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:45:34 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: "Carol A. Morrison" Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 875 Status: RO X-Status: John Folden asked-- >In the original spoiler I saw, it had Nick taking too much blood from Nat, and > then actually going back for more to finish her off rather than bringing her accross. >Someone else said that later it was edited and Nick didn't go back for the > second drink....????? Did he? S P O I L E R S P A C E No, Nick doesn't go back for a second drink. He leans down and kisses Natalie on her right check and tells LaCroix "I can't condemn her to this darkness." Tracy's last words to Nick -- "You...could have trusted me." Nick's last words to Natalie -- "I won't leave you. Whatever happens, we'll be together." Natalie's last word to Nick -- "Forever." Nick's last words to LaCroix -- "No. Not the Devil, Lacroix." (Lacroix: "What then") Nick: "You...are my closest friend." Lacroix's last words to Nicholas -- "Damn you, Nicholas." From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 13:46 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA28684 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 37047C78 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:25:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199605141746.NAA28684@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:28:33 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: LC Fenster Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1305 Status: RO X-Status: >S > >P > >O > >I > >L > >E > >R > > >S > >P > >A > >C > >E > >>In the original spoiler I saw, it had Nick taking too much blood from >>Nat, and then actually going back for more to finish her off >>Someone else said that later it was edited and Nick didn't go back >>for the second drink....????? Did he? >No, Nick doesn't go back for a second drink. He leans down and kisses >Natalie on her right check and tells LaCroix "I can't condemn her to >this darkness." It's not quite that clear. The way it was shot, frankly, you can't tell. Nick leans over her, and since the shot is from behind, you can't tell what he's doing, though I think he is drinking. It seems to match the script, where he is NOT vamped out when he takes the second drink. But it is ambiguous, and if one wants to believe that he's only kissing her, one can. Certainly, at the end, when he rises, he was kissing her. However, what is not ambiguous is the fact that LC told him he had a choice: bring her across or let her die, and he chose to let her die. Whether he drank again or not. "I can't condemn her to this darkness." Laurie, who knew what was coming, but still got depressed "Oh, Nicholas. You have thought this through, haven't you?" "What? And spoil the fun?" from the Last Knight blooper script From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 13:55 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA00515 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id C4C26F0B ; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:28:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199605141754.NAA00515@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:22:17 +0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: John Folden Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1500 Status: RO X-Status: > From: "Carol A. Morrison" > > John Folden asked-- > > >In the original spoiler I saw, it had Nick taking too much blood from Nat, and > > then actually going back for more to finish her off rather than bringing > her accross. > >Someone else said that later it was edited and Nick didn't go back for the > > second drink....????? Did he? > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > > > No, Nick doesn't go back for a second drink. He leans down and kisses > Natalie on her right check and tells LaCroix "I can't condemn her to this > darkness." > Would you believe I just got another reply from someone else who claims to have seen the episode and states that he DID go back for the second drink???? Now, I'm really confused....Not that I doubt you, but are you sure all he did was kiss her? > Tracy's last words to Nick -- "You...could have trusted me." I know where this comes in....(should be a good scene!) > Nick's last words to Natalie -- "I won't leave you. Whatever happens, we'll > be together." > Natalie's last word to Nick -- "Forever." Ok, mind if I ask where these come in at??? Especially, Nat's last words... was that before, after, or during the "drink"? Unlike some lucky(or unlucky people) I won't get to see this episode until 3am next Saturday.... :( > Lacroix's last words to Nicholas -- "Damn you, Nicholas." I believe this is at the very end of the show during a very, ahem, "pointed" moment? From lucienlc@ix.netcom.com Tue May 14 14:42 EDT 1996 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA11396 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 14:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pat-nj3-04.ix.netcom.com (lucienlc@pat-nj3-04.ix.netcom.com [204.31.242.100]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA07006; Tue, 14 May 1996 11:40:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:40:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199605141840.LAA07006@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: lucienlc@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cousin@westnet.com, Susankenn@aol.com, Janette92@aol.com, pearl@gramercy.ios.com, zac@hogpa.ho.att.com, moser@clark.net, lsimon@HULAW1.HARVARD.EDU, ejdjd@ix.netcom.com, reginag@ix.netcom.com From: lucienlc@ix.netcom.com (lucienlc) Subject: Last Knight Party/Wake Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 217 Status: RO X-Status: A Hi folks. I have not heard from you as to whether you still expect to attend my Last Knight party this weekend. I would appreciate it if you could let me know, so I have some idea of the numbers to expect. Laurie From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 16:46 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA09976 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id D68846A6 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:59:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199605142046.QAA09976@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:49:16 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: LC Fenster Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight - Silly question To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 377 Status: RO X-Status: The first line in Last Knight, spoken by LaCroix, is: "Life is like a ripe peach." Did they have peaches in Rome back in the first century? I know Italy is one of the largest exporters of peaches today, but did they have them in Lucius the General's time? Laurie, who still thinks it an odd metaphor for a vampire to use. Has LaCroix been missing peaches for 2,000 years? From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 17:08 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15468 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 1523D5BA ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:37:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199605142108.RAA15468@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:50:02 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: "Carol A. Morrison" Subject: Re: SPOILER: LAST KNIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1118 Status: RO X-Status: S P O I L E R S P A C E John Folden wrote-- >Would you believe I just got another reply from someone else who claims >to have seen the episode and states that he DID go back for the second drink???? >Now, I'm really confused....Not that I doubt you, but are you sure all he >did was kiss her? > Well I'll put it to you this way. Nick bites Natalie on the left side and when she is lying on the floor her head is turned to the left. Nick leans down over her right side. This is about the time he tells LaCroix that he can't condemn her to this darkness (Kind of hard to drink and talk at the same time). They pull away and you see him kissing her on her right cheek. Her head is still turned the same way to the left and there are no bite marks on the right side of her neck. >Ok, mind if I ask where these come in at??? Especially, Nat's last words... >was that before, after, or during the "drink"? Essentially right before the "drink." >> Lacroix's last words to Nicholas -- "Damn you, Nicholas." > >I believe this is at the very end of the show during a very, ahem, "pointed" >moment? > Right From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 17:18 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA17906 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 44D38105 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:52:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199605142117.RAA17906@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:49:47 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Dotti Rhodes Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight questions To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 503 Status: RO X-Status: At 03:06 PM 5/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end? One definitely and two possibly.....(because of the ambiguous ending) > >2) How many can be resurrected by us, keeping in mind that Alexandra had been dead for hours when LaCroix brought her across and that LaCroix was >staked in a fire and seemingly burned to ashes and he came back? > Two, if they are indeed dead (which we're not sure of). Am I right? Dotti R Knightie 4-Ever dottir@wsii.com From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 17:21 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA18632 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 8BACC696 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:54:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199605142121.RAA18632@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:08:23 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: "Carol A. Morrison" Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight questions To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 740 Status: RO X-Status: S P O I L E R S P A C E At 03:06 PM 5/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >OK, I said I wasn't going to read the spoilers, but I can resist anything >but temptation, right? > >For those of you who've seen it, I have a few questions: > >1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end? > >2) How many can be resurrected by us, keeping in mind that Alexandra had >been dead for hours when LaCroix brought her across and that LaCroix was >staked in a fire and seemingly burned to ashes and he came back? > >Apprehensively, > >Sarah >*definite* Cleopatra >welshkin@dfw.net > imho....the only one that can't be resurrected is Tracy. Unless......this whole thing was one of Nick's nighmares which I really believe it was!!! From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 18:00 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA27692 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 18:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 4AE6EA5D ; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:14:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199605142200.SAA27692@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:08:10 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Elizabeth Mosler Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight questions X-cc: dottir@wsii.com To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 493 Status: RO X-Status: >At 03:06 PM 5/14/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end? >>One definitely and two possibly.....(because of the ambiguous ending) >> Me: Okay, one maybe dead is Nat. Who is number two? elizabeth m. Personal Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/rose.html Work Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~emosler/binding.html. *Jody to Perry the Vampire dog: "Good boy!" Woofpacker forever!* From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 20:45 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA04629 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 20:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id FA25D23B ; Tue, 14 May 1996 20:32:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199605150045.UAA04629@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:25:06 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: LC Fenster Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight questions To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 678 Status: RO X-Status: > >S > >P > >O > >I > >L > >E > >R > > > >S > >P > >A > >C > >>For those of you who've seen it, I have a few questions: >> >>1) How many people are "dead" (in TPTB's mind anyway) at the end? From this episode? Two or three; it's unclear. >>2) How many can be resurrected by us, keeping in mind that Alexandra >>had been dead for hours when LaCroix brought her across and that >>LaCroix was staked in a fire and seemingly burned to ashes and he >>came back? All of them. As usual. They can be resurrected by us or by TPTB, should they be so inclined. Of course, they can't necessarily be resurrected as *humans*; they may have to be resurrected as vampires. :-) Laurie From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 21:04 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09564 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 21:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 94A1ADB6 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 20:51:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199605150104.VAA09564@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:55:35 +0000 Reply-To: redjasper@earthlink.net Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Lisa Wolters Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1203 Status: RO X-Status: * * * * * * * * So I've read the spoilers from those of you who've already seen "Last Knight," and have formed my very own Cheesy Rationalization(tm) with which I plan to live from now 'til Saturday, when I see the ep, and then for the rest of my life. RULE #1: Nick did not let Natalie die or kill her. Nat's alive. RULE #2: When in doubt, see Rule #1. There. I feel much better now. And it's the only way I can bear to watch "LK" much less remain emotionally involved with FK. To think otherwise is to think that TPTB are being deliberately malicious, callous, reprehensible, unfeeling, unthinking, cold, um.... monstrous, corrupt, foul, depraved, nefarious... you get the idea. Thinking that Nat died would also make me think that TPTB had not a hint of a clue about what the show, or the character of Nick Knight, is about anymore. That would not only make me very, very sad, it would make me very, very angry and bitter toward the show, which has given me so much. I can't accept even the possibility of this final blow to the series and its fans. Lisa W. * redjasper@earthlink.net ...trying to hum and think happy thoughts... From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 21:05 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09743 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 21:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 93259DD6 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 20:58:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199605150105.VAA09743@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:55:24 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Diane Shea Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight - Silly question To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 783 Status: RO X-Status: Laurie asked about LaCroix's statement of; >>"Life is like a ripe peach." Did they have peaches in Rome back in the first century? I know Italy is one of the largest exporters of peaches today, but did they have them in Lucius the General's time?<< If this has been answered 10 times already sorry, I live in digest-land. :) At the moment I'm looking at a picture of "Peaches and a Glass Jar" in my art history book. It's part of a wall painting from Herculaneum (a neighbor city to Pompeii) circa 50 A.D. These peaches are green, but they are peaches. >>Laurie, who still thinks it an odd metaphor for a vampire to use. Has LaCroix been missing peaches for 2,000 years?<< Well let's hope there's some reason for them to use lines like this! --Cousin Diane Eternal Seducer From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Wed May 15 01:17 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA23161 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 01:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 1D3E0982 ; Wed, 15 May 1996 1:12:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199605150517.BAA23161@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:05:33 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Chana Rossman Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1381 Status: RO X-Status: There are spoilers for Last Knight down there, somewhere... Keep going... Lisa Wolters wrote: > I formed my very own Cheesy Rationalization(tm) with which I plan to > live from now 'til Saturday, when I see the ep, and then for the rest > of my life. >RULE #1: Nick did not let Natalie die or kill her. Nat's alive. >RULE #2: When in doubt, see Rule #1. Ha. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is rationalizing like mad. I've got a whole scenero worked out to explain how what we think happened in the episode really didn't happen the way it appeared to. The sad part is I haven't even seen the blasted thing yet. Based on what I've heard, I can't help but feel like the writers ended up making Nick look rather inept. He does seem to have a habit of not being able to control himself in this particular regard. (Maybe Natalie should have paid more attention to Nick's "ex"wife in Dead of Night...) I firmly believe that Nick's love and concern for Natalie's well-being would have (and should have) overpowered any physical desires. Ah well, I'll reserve final judgement until Saturday at 2:00 am. I will add that this Knightie/Natpacker/Nick&Natpacker would have been happy if the show had ended with a simple passionate kiss and a lot of promise for the future... Chana Rossman bonney@interpath.com * I have been one acquainted with the [K]night * From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Wed May 15 14:16 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA27543 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 14:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 25F0EDDA ; Wed, 15 May 1996 13:51:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199605151816.OAA27543@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:48:45 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Karen Stortz Subject: Re: SPOILER: ATA / LK / comments X-cc: lucienlc@ix.netcom.com To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1446 Status: RO X-Status: "Last Knight" comments and questions below. You have been warned! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 >>From what I know of LK...I think the ending stinks. . . I have >>difficulty believing LaCroix would actually DO...THAT. >(...even in the original script, there was some deliberate >ambiguity about this...the Romeo and Juliet stuff made it more >conclusive. But once they pulled that out...) Ack-- I must have re-subscribed to the spoiler list in the middle of this discussion--- what the h*** is going on in this ep? From what I can infer, LaCroix stakes Nick??? That would be a really STUPID ending to the series. Nick becomes mortal? I'm okay with that. Nick becomes mortal and then dies (preferably in the course of some noble deed)-- I wouldn't like it, but I could learn to live with it. Nat becomes a vamp and she and Nick move on while she continues to seek a cure for them both-- I could even live with that. Nick gets killed while still a vampire? NO WAY! It's a total defeat--death without redemption, which was always his TRUE goal. Every time I get my hopes up regarding this show's potential, the powers-that-be manage to screw up the premise all over again. I can't tell from the little I've seen on the list so far how they end this, but I sense major disappointment in the works.... And what's all that about deliberate ambiguity, Romeo and Juliet stuff, stuff pulled out, and changes? Please explain this before I go nuts! From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Wed May 15 18:30 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA29722 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 18:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 8003720A ; Wed, 15 May 1996 17:00:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199605152230.SAA29722@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:27:21 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Carla Pickering Subject: Slight LK spoiler, & Lyrics To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 923 Status: RO X-Status: Someone *made* me really listen to the lyrics of "Black Rose". After the spoiler items on LK, they were *devastating*... Here I am, rational adult sobbing my eyes out at midnight and I haven't even seen the episode yet.... I've been playing the tape (I don't *have* a CD player) at work and home and after getting most of the Black Rose lyrics and reading spoilers, I really have to be careful that no one thinks I'm seriously loosing it! "There is more truth and depth to a *good* piece of *fiction* than a contrived and stylish non-fiction work; there is more real life in my imagination than in some of the people I come across." Oh yes, and I want the lyrics and sheet music too!!!! Saille (carla p.) at Crowhawwk in Exeter, RI with Joanna Darkwind, Wolfish Wonderpup; Vaquera and Apricot Sympathizer with Light Cousinly and Dark N & N Leanings.VACHON LIVES!!! RAGE, RAGE AGAINST THE RAVAGING OF THE KNIGHT@%^& From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Thu May 16 17:48 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA13828 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id B06C69EC ; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:56:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199605162148.RAA13828@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:27:47 -0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Sarah Welsh Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK Details from Laurie To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR In-Reply-To: <9605161535.AA17513@dfw.dfw.net> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 241 Status: RO X-Status: Can we say "out of character?" Can we say "out of the blue?" Can we say "TPTB are out of their minds?" What say we just chalk this whole last episode up to one of Nick's guilty dreams? Or even LaCroix'? Sarah Cleopatra welshkin@dfw.net From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Thu May 16 13:34 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA13856 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 20440861 ; Thu, 16 May 1996 11:27:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199605161734.NAA13856@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:21:03 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: lucienlc Subject: SPOILER: LK Details (Warning: LONG) To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 19136 Status: RO X-Status: Marcia asked that someone post detailed spoilers of LK, instead of the little snippets that have heretofore appeared. Accordingly, I have dug out my spoilers from a month or so back that went to the private spoiler loop of folks who wanted to be spoiled then. I have edited them to account for what actually did and did not show up on screen, having now seen the episode. And I think I deserve hazard *pay* for having to sit through the blasted thing enough times to get it right. :-) WARNING: these are detailed. _Very_ detailed. If you don't want to be spoiled, please don't read them. I'm only doing this as a service to those who find it easier to deal with something if they know what's coming. Several more precatory comments (so I don't need to leave spoiler space ). This is a long post, containing detailed spoilers and lots of quotes. If your copy gets cut off, e-mail me. I thought it would be better for folks to form their own opinions rather than rely on my own perceptions, so there isn't much analysis or commentary. Just details. Another fan (Lora Haines - President of the FK fan club) makes the big time. As a suicide. Okay, away we go. Form your own opinions: TEASER: Story opens on the a stream of running water, a faucet filling a tub. A woman's hand turns the water off, tests the temperature. Cut to the LOFT, where we see LC. His figure is hazy, eerily distorted. He almost looks two-dimensional. Something is very odd. LC: "Life is a gift. As sweet as a ripe peach, as precious as a gilded jewel. I have never understood the logic of wilfully surrendering such a treasure. And what is there to gain? How dark can your existence be when compared to an eternal void? Unless, of course, you have faith that there is something beyond." While LC is speaking, throughout this speech and the others in the teaser, we cut back and forth between him and the woman, signing the last page of a journal, slipping it into an envelope. We see her, hazy, in the steam of the bathroom mirror. Cut back to LC. We don't see who he is talking to or what he is looking at. LC: "What do you see from where you stand? A bright light at the end of the tunnel? Is it a ray of hope, a glimmer of something better? Or will it burn you like the rising sun? Is that sound you're hearing the trumpeting of St. Peter's angels ... or the screams of Memnoch's tortured souls? You can't answer that, can you? Because you will never know the answer until the deed is done. And is your faith really that strong?" "I understand the need to move on. It is something that happens to us all ... and your time has truly come. I also understand that with the beauty of this life there comes pain and despair. No one is immune. But consider what you have in your hands, before you give it up. Don't trade a treasure ... for an empty box." As the above is being said, the woman slips into the bath, fully clothed. She lifts and exposes her wrist. She slits her wrists with a scalpel, and drops back into the water, staining it red. They show the envelope, addressed to Dr. Natalie Lambert. END TEASER ACT ONE Natalie is at the crime scene, kind of in shock. Nick and Tracy are talking about the case, about how nobody saw this coming. Nick asks Tracy to finish up, so he can take Nat out of there. If anyone figures out where she's sitting while she reads from the journal, please let me know. A room in the morgue we've never seen? Nat (reading from the journal): "Do as I ask, not as I've become. Don't let yourself become empty. First time I've lost someone to suicide. First time I've had a suicide note addressed to me, a night of firsts." "You know, I think that Dr. Lora Haynes in there was right on the money when she pegged me as a kindred spirit." Nick: "Nat, she took her own life. She obviously had some pretty big problems." Nat: "Think so? You know, Nick, I used to think suicide was sacrilege. But I'm not so sure anymore." Nick: "Nat, don't talk like that." Nat: "Why not? You've considered it yourself." FLASHBACK to "Last Act" ["So we're feeling a little self-destructive" scene. Those who have never seen first season Nick will finally have the opportunity.] Nick suggests that Nat not do the work on the case, but she tells him it's okay, she owes it to her friend, she can handle it. Nat: "But you know what I can't handle? I think I understand her, and that scares me to death." Cut to Reese and Tracy discussing the case, the note, the impact on Nat. Tracy asks if she can knock off early for the night. Their discussion is interrupted by a prisoner who is being disruptive and causing problems. Cut back to Nick and Nat. Nat: "You know, when she and I would get together, years ago, we'd talk for hours. About our careers. Professional gossip. We slowly came to realize that we never really talked about ourselves. And you know why? Because there was nothing there to tell, our personal lives were non-existent. That was a bit of a depressing discovery; we, uh, sort of lost touch after that. Her leaving me the note and her journal: she meant for me to learn from her mistakes. It's my wake-up call, Nick. Time to get a life." Nick: "You've got one, and it's not empty. Nat: "Not now. ... Six years ago ... April 14 ..." Nick: "What was that?" Nat: "The day they brought you in." FLASHBACK to "Only the Lonely" (their first meeting) Nat: "My life changed that day. I don't want to end up like Lora, Nick. Nick: I won't let you." Nat: "Well then, it's simple. You just have to love me as much as I love you." On Nick's totally dumbfounded look, END OF ACT ONE ACT TWO Beautiful shot of the Toronto skyline. Cut to LaCroix, in the loft, same weird shots and angles as before. LC: "Love. It warps our senses, twists our souls. 'Can take us past hope, past cure, past help.'" He sighs. LC: "I know about love. Its suffering, its anguish, its pain. 'Heaven makes means to kill our joy with love.' And yet we must have it. At any cost. But are you so enamored that you will overlook your love of life? And you do love it. I've seen you smell the sea, gaze at the stars at night. Are you willing to sacrifice one mistress for another? Look into your heart and tell me that you're willing to make the choice." [Note: Ger, as director, decided to get *clever* with the camera in the next scene. It made me dizzy just watching it.] Nick: "I can't. "You know I can't." Nat: "I've been wrong about a lot of things in my life, but I'm not wrong about _this_ ... about what I feel from you. I'm asking for an end, Nick ... for a resolution. I'm not willing to go on like this. We can be together." Nick: "I can't damn you into becoming what I am." Nat: "There is a way. I have faith in you ... and whatever follows." FLASHBACK to the scene where he kills Alyssa in the Dead of Knight flashback by draining her completely. Nick. "Natalie ... it's just too much to ask. The next bit is really eerily filmed, a combination of warped sound effects and slow motion. Back in the precinct, Dawkins, the prisoner, breaks free, grabs a gun, and takes a hostage. Then we get back to normal filming. Dawkins escapes down a corrider without the hostage. Reese sends his people looking for him. He doesn't know that Tracy hasn't left yet, and she goes looking for Dawkins on her own. Cut back to Nick and Nat. Nick: "Whether I bring you across or not, either way, it could be a death sentence." Nat: "A lonely existence like Lora's is a death sentence. With you, there's at least hope. It's partly my decision, Nick. And I'm not afraid to try." At which point the phone rings and Reese alerts him to the situation at the precinct. With some awkwardness, he leaves. Nick, at the precinct, asks Reese to let him go after the guy alone. He's met him before, arrested him once, figures maybe he can establish rapport with him. Reese gives permission. Neither of them knows that Tracy has gone after him on her own. Nick finds Dawkins, starts to whammy him as Tracy, unbeknownst to them both, closes in from behind Nick. Dawkins loses it and fires, striking Tracy. He squeezes off several more shots as Nick vamps out completely and slams him to the wall. (Note: the filming is bad, imo; I'm still trying to figure out how she got struck in the back of the head.) Nick, still vamped, turns in horror to see Tracy as she slowly collapses, bleeding badly. Nick frantically calls for help. Tracy to Nick: "You could have trusted me ..." As other cops rush in, END OF ACT TWO. ACT THREE LaCroix again, at the loft, speaking to the unseen. LC: "Haven't you tired of this incessant guilt? Hasn't it swayed your back and stooped your shoulders to the point of throwing it off? You insist on taking responsibility for the actions and emotions of those around you, when they alone are truly responsible. It is foolish. It is so unnecessary. It is so mortal. And it must stop. This and all else that has happened tonight should make that clear to you." Cut back to the precinct, medics hastily getting Tracy out of there, Nick, angsting over Tracy getting shot. Reese, telling him it's not his fault. Several hours later, Nick and Reese watching Tracy. Reese tells him that there's a review board report the next day, that it's going to be rough since Dawkins didn't make it. He also tells him that, if Tracy dies, there is life after the loss of a partner. They recall Schanke (Black Buddha flashback). After Reese leaves, Nick stands there, watching Tracy at death's door, his eyes glowing. Another Black Buddha FLASHBACK, with Nick blaming himself for Schanke. Cut back to Nick agonizing over the decision: should he or shouldn't he? He moves to Tracy's bedside. He's fully vamped out, moving in on her neck. Offscreen Nat: "_Nick_" He turns sharply, still vamped, and sees her. She stands shocked, betrayed. Nick: "If she dies, it's my fault." Nat: "How do you know that that's what she wants? And why is it so easy to consider bringing her across ... and so impossible to consider bringing me?" Nick looks at Tracy, moves past Nat and leaves. Cut to the RAVEN The place is deserted, chairs turned up. The LC bust from Pompeii is there. (Hey, how'd they fix it?) LC is loading a shipping trunk. LC: "Good evening, Nicholas." Nick: "You're leaving." LC: "It's time. For both of us. We have come full circle in this life." Nick: "LaCroix, I'm in trouble." LC: "Yes. I know. Your partner. Is she ...? Nick: "No. But her chances aren't good." LC: Nicholas ... don't you see? You have overstayed your welcome. The pain you are causing your mortal friends is no longer acceptable to them. Those that do survive will not allow their relationship with you to continue in the way that it was. They will demand change. And you will be compromised. One way or another." Nick: "Even if I wanted to leave, I couldn't. Too many loose ends to tie up..." LC: "I've seen you leave looser." Nick: "I can't just walk away. Natalie needs me. I have to be here for Tracy." LC: Nicholas, the time has come. I will be at your loft tonight for your decision. And then I'm leaving. With or without you." Close on Nick as END OF ACT THREE ACT FOUR Close on LC, in the loft, again speaking to someone offscreen. LC: "For all the things that we are, there is a price to be paid. Love can be tasted but never savoured. In our darkest moments we may envy mortality, but we should never aspire to it. Guilt ... is a poison. And staying past our time ... is death. But it need not be. If we truly care for a mortal ... truly love one ... then we must go. Isn't that something that _you_ taught _me_?" And we see that LC is talking to Nick, who is looking away. Something is definitely bothering him. FLASHBACK to "Be My Valentine" [Fleur - all the scenes put together where Nick confronts LC and demands/pleads that he leave Fleur alone] LaCroix moves closer to Nick. Cut back to LaCroix and Nick in the loft. LC: "Leaving ... is the purest form of love." Nick half turns toward him. Cut to MORGUE - Nat reading Lora's diary. Nat: "Everyone's pain is my problem but mine is mine alone... I have solutions for all but none for myself. I have to stop and think 'Where am I? What am I doing?' I'm not coming, I'm going. I'm gone." Nat glances around; she's been packing. The contents of her desk have been put into a box. She puts the diary into the box and puts the cover on. The phone rings, and she picks it up. Cut to Nick, in the Caddy. He turns on the radio. Some woman is speaking. A listener asks what happened to the Nightcrawler. "He said it was time to move on." MULTIPLE FLASHBACKS: Nick and Nat (Black Buddha), Nick and Janette (Human Factor) dealing with the theme of leaving, moving on. Nick enters the loft. Nat is there. Nat: "Tracy Vetter passed away twenty minutes ago." Off their reactions, END OF ACT FOUR ACT FIVE Nick: "LaCroix thinks I'm a fool, bearing this guilt. Trying to somehow atone for what I've done. Maybe he's right. All it's ever caused is pain. And more death..." Nat: "That's not true." Nick: "Tracy ... Cohen ... Schanke ... How many others over the centuries .... because of what I am?" Nat: "And how many lives were you able to _save_ because of what you are? You've more than made up for what you've done in the past." Nick: "It's not enough. It's never enough." Pauses. "I'm leaving. Tonight." Nat: "Not without me." Nick: "I'm leaving _because_ of you. You don't want my love. It will only destroy you." Nat: "There is a way... there is one cure that we haven't tried. Janette became mortal by making love to Robert ... taking just a little at a time." Nick: "It was a lot more complicated than that, Nat." Nat: "I'm willing to take my chances." Nick: "Well, I'm _not_. What if I take too much?" I'm not willing to live a life of eternal pain ..." Nat: "Is it any worse than living a life of eternal regret? It's partly my choice too, Nick." He looks down and she walks over to the window. "Does LaCroix ever talk to you about faith?" Nick: "In what?" Nat: "In yourself ... in an afterlife ... I don't know, in a greater being who loves us no matter who we are or what we do?" Nick: "Faith is a mortal folly, Nat." Nat: "His words or yours? You really believe that's true?" FLASHBACK to "For I Have Sinned" [Nick offering immortality to Joan of Arc: "Faith. Pure and simple faith."] Nick: "I'm not sure." Nat: "I won't accept that the sum of our existence can be measured in the few short years that we're alive here. It would make everything that we believe meaningless. It would make our whole lives here meaningless. I know that's not true, and so do you. You have faith, Nick. And, if it's a mortal folly, then you're the most mortal man I've ever known." Nick: "You cannot deny what I am!" Nat: "You can't deny what's in your heart." Nick: "What are you saying?" Nat: "I have faith that there is a future for us ... Here, as we are ... or somewhere else." She walks slowly over to him. "I believe in you. I trust you. Make love to me, Nick ... take just a little at a time." Nick: "I'm afraid of what might happen." Nat: "Don't be afraid. I'm not afraid of death. Or of an eternity in darkness, as long as I can spend it with you." She's caressing his face looks to him, cups his face in her hands. "All I have is faith, and love. All I'm asking is for you to make love to me. I trust you" They look deep into each others' souls, Nick looks down. When he looks back up his eyes are glowing. Nick: "I won't leave you. Whatever happens, we'll be together." Nat: "Forever." They kiss once, gently. Nicks caresses her hand. Then Nick bites into her. (Hey? Anyone here ever here of foreplay?) We get a montage of flashbacks, from Nick's many lifetimes. Is Natalie receiving these images? Nat, swoons and collapses. (We see no blood, btw.) Nick lowers her to the floor, leans over her, still high on the experience. Behind him, we see LaCroix. LC: "Well ... all that remains now is to turn off the lights and lock the door on our way out. Unless of course you have decided to add her to our entourage. Oh, Nicholas. You _have_ thought this through, haven't you?" Nick (stricken): "I couldn't stop myself. I've taken too much." On Nick, as he looks to Nat, lying there, still. END OF ACT FIVE TAG LC: "There she lies at the brink, Nicholas ... her fate is in your hands. Bring her across, or let her die. You must decide." Nick: "LaCroix? Is it possible for a vampire to have faith?" LC: "That's a strange question at this moment in time." Nick: "Have you ever had faith in anything but yourself?" LC: "I have seen too much." Nick: "Then maybe I haven't seen enough." LC: "After nearly 800 years? Nicholas, be done with her. Time heals all - we must move on. You cannot deny what you are." Nick slowly bends over to Natalie. "I can't condemn her to this darkness." He kisses her, then rises. LC: "A wise decision. We even have time for a burial, if you'd like." Nick stands ... crosses to the fireplace ... lifts the most elaborately carved excuse for a stake I have ever seen from the firebox. He's very upset. Nick: "She had faith in me ... in what's beyond. That we could have a life together. That this would would be a beginning ... not an end..." He walks back and sits down, holding the *stake*. Nick: "I have that faith too." LC (as we come full circle to the teaser): "Don't be foolish, Nicholas. Life is a gift. As sweet as the freshest peach, as precious as a gilded jewel. I have never been able to understood the logic of wilfully surrendering such a treasure. What is there to gain? How dark can your existence be when compared to an eternal void? Or do you have faith that there is something beyond? What do you see from where you are? A bright light at the end of the tunnel? Is it a ray of hope, a glimmer of something better? Or will it burn you like the morning sun? Are the sounds you hear the trumpeting of St. Peter's angels ... or the screams of Memnoch's tortured souls? You can't answer that, can you? Because you will never know the answer until after the deed is done. Is your faith really that strong?" Nick remains silent. LC (trying to suppress his hurt): "And so ... in your eyes ... I'm the Devil." That evokes a reaction. Nick stands and faces him. Nick: "No. Not the Devil, LaCroix." LC: "What then?" Nick: "You ... are my closest friend." As he speaks, he hands LC the stake. Nick kneels beside Natalie's body ... reaches out and takes her hand, his back to LC. LC: (sotto) "Damn you, Nicholas." He hoists the stake in one smooth motion. Cut to the exterior of the loft, then the sunrise. The End. Except for the hundreds of alternate endings yet to be written. :-) One bright spot: the earlier versions of the script (I've seen two of them), were far WORSE than this, difficult though that may be to believe. Laurie From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 09:25 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10065 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id A59B1615 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 9:06:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199605171325.JAA10065@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:55:09 EDT Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Mary Anne Espenshade Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight comments To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1368 Status: RO X-Status: Comments and questions. Mostly questions. I've saved a huge file of spoilers about LK. I haven't read them yet... I don't know if I will. I had even managed to avoid most of the early rumors, and those I did hear about I discounted as too unbelievable. Did our feeble attempts to save a show we loved really bruise their fragile egos so badly? What did we do to make TPTB hate us so much? How did we matter so much that spiting us and hurting us was so important? Did they think this is what it would take to make us go away? Will it? It will certainly cut off any grass roots letter writing by people who aren't connected like we are. Or is it somehow our fault? (Such a Knightie thing to say!) I've read the Forever Not challenge stories and far more of them ended tragicly that happily. Did they think that was what we really wanted then? What we enjoy making up as fanfic is often a far cry from what we'd want to be canon on the show. Am I in such a minority in thinking that there is so much sadness in the real world that I at least want my fantasies to have happy endings? The last time a producer/network did something like this I never watched the show again. And I still can't even with the whole thing on tape. (BatB, 1-2) I hope that isn't going to happen again, but I haven't decided yet. -- Mary Anne Espenshade mae@aplexus.jhuapl.edu From drowland@aea3.k12.ia.us Fri May 17 12:27 EDT 1996 Received: from aea3.k12.ia.us (mailhub.aea3.k12.ia.us [205.221.30.6]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA26840 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.221.30.225] by aea3.k12.ia.us with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Fri, 17 May 1996 10:27:12 -0600 X-Sender: drowland@mailhub.aea3.k12.ia.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moser@CLARK.NET From: drowland@aea3.k12.ia.us (Deb) Subject: LK Details Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:27:12 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 408 Status: RO X-Status: Melanie: thanks for your take on the episode. I won't see it until midnight tomorrow but had to read lucienlc's post. I feel a lot better after having read your comments. I haven't dared to say anything but in my heart I secretely thought that if Nick became human that would be the end of the series. Likwise if he brought Nat over. Anyway. Thanks for the post. Deb Knightie with strong Cousinly urges From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 14:33 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA28871 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 987A400E ; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:07:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199605171833.OAA28871@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 12:59:35 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Chana Rossman Subject: Last Knight and fanfic To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1275 Status: RO X-Status: S P O I L E R . . . . . Cousin Jean wrote: >Fanfic? FK allowed me to start writing again (o wondrous love), but I swear, I >think all my stories died last night. I don't even know if I can finish the >one I started. (Writing takes heart, after all.) The only one I have left is >the one where, having done the deed, LC raises the shutters in the loft to the >morning sun, and I can't write that. Try considering this a challenge rather than a curse. How inventive can you be in "explaining" away this horrible episode. There is, obviously, the old "it was just a dream" sequence. (Redundant but effective.) But you can also see how clever you can be. (Permit a slight non-FK reference but B5 is currently an excellent example of how things can be turned around and twisted in the most amazing ways.) Ironically, I'm having the exact opposite reaction. I've never written a complete story in my life (except for required stuff for English classes) but I've been hacking away at computer late into night trying to work out a plausible solution. This can be explained. I can't remember the source of the quote, but remember "Nobody ever dies." We can explain even this! Chana Rossman bonney@interpath.com * I have been one acquanited with the [K]night * From sherric@empnet.com Fri May 17 15:34 EDT 1996 Received: from empnet.com ([204.157.74.3]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA14384 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 15:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sherric@localhost) by empnet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19047; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605171936.MAA19047@empnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: sherric@empnet.com (Sherri) Subject: RE: your post on LK :) To: Melanie Moser X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 318 Status: RO X-Status: I agree with you about the ending - after I quit shaking, I thought about it, and decided it left the future pretty much open, except, of course, for Tracy... Very eloquently put. :) Sherri sherric@empnet.com Founding Member, SFKS Save FK: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 16:01 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA21928 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id B5FA877F ; Fri, 17 May 1996 15:48:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199605172001.QAA21928@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:50:31 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Diane Shea Subject: Non-crucial LK spoiler To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 765 Status: RO X-Status: Small non-crucial spoiler for LK follows; > > > > > > > > > Laurie writes; >>The place is deserted, chairs turned up. The LC bust from Pompeii is there. (Hey, how'd they fix it?)<< OK, how about, the archaeologists who were excavating Pompeii came across it and painstakingly reconstructed it. Then sometime during LaCroix's travels this century he happened to notice it in a museum somewhere, (or perhaps was told by an enforcer?) and decided he had better deal with it before it wound up on the cover of National Geographic for all the world to ponder. You know how those covers affect people sometimes. He'd be recognized in a moment. Best to "retrieve" it and keep it in the Raven. I've done my rationalizing for the day! --Cousin Diane Eternal Seducer From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 09:46 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA14912 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id E82FA778 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 9:44:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199605171346.JAA14912@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:40:27 -0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Sarah Welsh Subject: Re: SPOILER: Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR In-Reply-To: <9605170714.AA22435@dfw.dfw.net> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 739 Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 17 May 1996, Apache wrote: > I'm going to leave spoiler space, since lots of people won't see > it until Saturday. > > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > She played the scene exactly like she > played Natalie's fantasy sequence while reading the vampire novel in the > vampire-novelist episode last year ("Stranger than Fiction"?). Yeah, and just like Nick's dream in NiQ. I'm telling you, Last Knight is someone's bad dream. (As in, "You'll never believe what I dreamed *last night*.") If there's a "last night", there must be a next day to be looking back from. They're all going to wake up the next morning in fanfic. We always treated them better than TPTB anyway. Sarah Cleopatra welshkin@dfw.net From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 09:39 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA13212 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id D1BBEDC1 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 9:36:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199605171339.JAA13212@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:00:05 +0100 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: "Kennedy, Jean" Subject: Spoiler: Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1970 Status: RO X-Status: Warning: Completely emotional reaction to follow! S P O I L E R This was absolutely shattering. First reaction: God, they must hate us, to do this. As far as I'm concerned, there was nothing ambiguous about the ending. HF was ambiguous; at least there they tossed us a lifeline: some bodies, the portrait, dialogue. There's no lifeline here; we just don't see the deed. Natalie sacrifices herself for love. Nick sacrifices himself for love. LC sacrifices the thing he loves most (and so, by extension, himself) for love. My heart's breaking. I saw this at midnight, and I'm still in tears. (Very awkward -- what do you tell the people at the office? ) And I'm listening to the Braveheart soundtrack, which isn't helping! Good thing I can touch-type, because I can't see my keyboard. *Devastating* monologue. Lisa Ryder: kudos. Tracy got on my nerves, but I had started to respect the character, and her key scene was done elegantly. The single spot of comic relief (compulsive editor mode on): Reese saying, "I'm here for you. Gotta go now." (Paraphrased.) Fanfic? FK allowed me to start writing again (o wondrous love), but I swear, I think all my stories died last night. I don't even know if I can finish the one I started. (Writing takes heart, after all.) The only one I have left is the one where, having done the deed, LC raises the shutters in the loft to the morning sun, and I can't write that. I can tell you without exaggeration that I can point to three times in my life when I was really happy. Joining the FK universe was the third. And I was a fool every time. "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." Fool me three times . . . ? Maybe I'll have a more rational reaction later. Right now I'm bitter and crushingly sad. Yeah, it was just a TV show. And I was just a fan. LC was right about love. Damn him for it. Cousin Jean Faith, hope, and charity have been staked and left in the sun to die. From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 06:40 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA16017 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 06:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 25F1CA1F ; Fri, 17 May 1996 6:40:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199605171040.GAA16017@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:37:54 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Beth Brown Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK Details To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 198 Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-05-16 11:41:41 EDT, Laurie wrote: >Another fan (Lora Haines - President of the FK fan club) makes the big >time. As a suicide. Well, don't you think this says it all? Beth From owner-forkni-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 06:04 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA12724 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 06:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 11B30F3F ; Fri, 17 May 1996 6:03:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199605171004.GAA12724@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 07:33:04 -0230 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show Sender: Forever Knight TV show From: Jason Ryan Subject: How long is Last Knight? To: Multiple recipients of list FORKNI-L Content-Type: text Content-Length: 251 Status: RO X-Status: How long is last knight? Will it be two hours? or one, hope someone can help. *************************************** "La vie pour toujours, ma chere petite" -Jason Ryan ibe0018@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca *************************************** From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 04:26 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA05511 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 04:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 6AF12076 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 4:26:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199605170826.EAA05511@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 04:24:00 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Melanie Moser Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK Details (Warning: LONG) To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR In-Reply-To: <199605161734.NAA13856@mail.Clark.Net> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 12953 Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 16 May 1996, lucienlc wrote: > > WARNING: these are detailed. _Very_ detailed. If you don't want to be > spoiled, please don't read them. I'm only doing this as a service to those > who find it easier to deal with something if they know what's coming. > > I thought it would be better for folks to form their own opinions rather > than rely on my own perceptions, so there isn't much analysis or commentary. > Just details. > > Having just sat through LK, I sit here in shock (minus one box of tissues) and as therapy, will begin what's soon to be a deluge of mail and opinions regarding this episode. If you haven't read Laurie's detailed spoiler first, I recommend you do so, as I will be removing some of it. I am adding a few opinions to a few key moments detailed in this spoiler (awesome job, Laurie, I think you really caught much of the essence of the episode)... Overall, this is a very emotional and intimate episode. If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend watching it with a very open mind (and heart). IMHO, I think it was superbly done (and I'm a tough critic): great directing from Ger, well written script, superbly acted, and probably one of the most daring dramatic series episodes I have ever lived through. Let me reiterate that: "one of the most daring dramatic series episodes I have ever lived through". Yes, I believe many will dispute this episode to the finest detail, debating the why and wherefore's, but I doubt I'll get involved in any of these debates, if I even do more than skim them. Personal preference: I usually just accept most of an episode as it is. Especially this one. Enough said. What LaCroix narrates throughout the episode is crucial. To me, he describes the thoughts and feelings from the vampire point of view, his world view. A father's last words to his son? With his encounters with Nick in the episode, we get the message that it's time for them (him and Nick) to move on. That by Nick's staying, he's only hurting those mortals around him more. The Nick & Nat interaction in the entire episode revolves around how much the death of her friend gives Natalie a rude awakening about the status of her life (and lack there of). The impression left here is how lonely Nat has always been. The one thing that changed that was when Nick entered her life. (Come on, she remembers the exact date!). Believing her friend left her diary and suicide note for Nat for a reason, to warn Nat not to fall into the same trap, Nat pressures Nick into deciding what they are going to do with their relationship. One personal thought here: let me say that unless you've been here before (loneliness, emptiness, depression, suicidal), it may be hard to comprehend how Nat could feel this way. (Been there, felt that, have recovered; but I was shocked to see how realistic the scenes were acted. Wow!). (Don't they have some sort of mental health plan / therapy for these people thru the Metro P.D. benefit plan?) I also believe this episodes accurately shows the depth of the love between Nick and Nat. A true Romeo & Juliet type of love, but with the additional twist of believing in an afterlife where they can be together. Then there's the debate over "how come you can bring across, but not me?" My belief is that Nick loves Nat too much to 'taint' her goodness by bringing her across. If anybody understands it, I think Nick does, knowing what the vampirism does to a 'good' soul. I think he also knows he's not very good at bringing someone across... especially when it's someone he loves so much. From Laurie's spoiler: > > Nick finds Dawkins, starts to whammy him as Tracy, unbeknownst to them > both, closes in from behind Nick. Dawkins loses it and fires, striking > Tracy. He squeezes off several more shots as Nick vamps out completely and > slams him to the wall. (Note: the filming is bad, imo; I'm still trying > to figure out how she got struck in the back of the head.) I think the bullets ricocheted (sp?) (listen closely to the background sound effects) off the wall(s), thus hitting Tracy in the back of the head. Whether this is realistic or not, I'm not sure. I thought this was a rather quick (and drastic) way to get rid of Tracy. Why was Tracy killed in this episode? Was it necessary? Pay attention to the dialogue between LaCroix and Nick that follows: > LC: Nicholas ... don't you see? You have overstayed your welcome. The > pain you are causing your mortal friends is no longer acceptable to > them. Those that do survive will not allow their relationship with > you to continue in the way that it was. They will demand change. And you > will be compromised. One way or another." > > LC: "For all the things that we are, there is a price to be paid. Love can be > tasted but never savoured. In our darkest moments we may envy > mortality, but we should never aspire to it. Guilt ... is a poison. And > staying past our time ... is death. But it need not be. If we > truly care for a mortal ... truly love one ... then we must go. Isn't that > something that _you_ taught _me_?" > This is probably the key area I just don't get about this episode. Other than Nick being blinded by his love, why can't he see that by sticking around, he has only and will continue to hurt Nat? I think he realizes this by the next encounter he has with Nat. > > Nat glances around; she's been packing. The contents of her desk have been > put into a box. She puts the diary into the box and puts the cover on. The > phone rings, and she picks it up. > Has Nat already made a decision here that she's not returning, one way or another, to her job? > Nick: "I'm leaving _because_ of you. You don't want my love. It will only > destroy you." > Nat: "There is a way... there is one cure that we haven't tried. > Janette became mortal by making love to Robert ... taking just a little > at a time." > Nick: "It was a lot more complicated than that, Nat." > Nat: "I'm willing to take my chances." > Nick: "Well, I'm _not_. What if I take too much?" I'm not willing to live > a life of eternal pain ..." > Nat: "Is it any worse than living a life of eternal regret? It's partly my > choice too, Nick." Wat to speak up for yourself here, Nat! > > He looks down and she walks over to the window. "Does LaCroix ever talk to > you about faith?" > Nick: "In what?" > Nat: "In yourself ... in an afterlife ... I don't know, in a greater being > who loves us no matter who we are or what we do?" > Nick: "Faith is a mortal folly, Nat." > Nat: "His words or yours? You really believe that's true?" > > FLASHBACK to "For I Have Sinned" [Nick offering immortality to Joan of Arc: > "Faith. Pure and simple faith."] > > Nick: "I'm not sure." > > Nat: "I won't accept that the sum of our existence can be measured in > the few short years that we're alive here. It would make everything that we > believe meaningless. It would make our whole lives here meaningless. > I know that's not true, and so do you. You have faith, Nick. And, if > it's a mortal folly, then you're the most mortal man I've ever known." > Nick: "You cannot deny what I am!" > Nat: "You can't deny what's in your heart." > Nick: "What are you saying?" > Nat: "I have faith that there is a future for us ... Here, as we are ... or > somewhere else." She walks slowly over to him. "I believe in you. I trust > you. Make love to me, Nick ... take just a little at a time." A very interesting insight into Nat, seeing as she has had trouble believing in ghosts and reincarnation in the past? > Nick: "I'm afraid of what might happen." > Nat: "Don't be afraid. I'm not afraid of death. Or of an eternity in > darkness, as long as I can spend it with you." She's caressing his face > looks to him, cups his face in her hands. "All I have is faith, and love. > All I'm asking is for you to make love to me. I trust you" God, romance doesn't get any better than this.... > > They look deep into each others' souls, Nick looks down. When he looks back > up his eyes are glowing. > > Nick: "I won't leave you. Whatever happens, we'll be together." > Nat: "Forever." > > They kiss once, gently. Nicks caresses her hand. Then Nick bites into her. > (Hey? Anyone here ever here of foreplay?) I couldn't quite understand this either. Did they do this to save time? (I hope someone will tell us if the Canadian version is different here?) Or was Nick perhaps testing his self-control, before taking things further, at this point? We get a montage of flashbacks, > from Nick's many lifetimes. Is Natalie receiving these images? I got the strong impression that Natalie was receiving these images from Nick, based not only on what we were told in Francesca, but by the reactions Natalie has to what we see intercut with the images (great acting, CD! great editing too.) I also got the impression, based on the violence we saw in the images, that Nat was a little shocked by same of the images of Nick's past, with the last image being from when Nick was brought across. It's most likely due to lack of time, we only saw Natalie's impressions, not Nick's. Obviously, whatever he saw must of been darn good if he couldn't stop in time. > > Nat, swoons and collapses. (We see no blood, btw.) Nick lowers her to the > floor, leans over her, still high on the experience. Behind him, we see > LaCroix. > > LC: "Well ... all that remains now is to turn off the > lights and lock the door on our way out. Unless of course you have decided > to add her to our entourage. Oh, > Nicholas. You _have_ thought this through, haven't you?" > LC to the very core! (Though this is where I think he's like Nat, hiding his true feelings under sarcasm). > Nick: "LaCroix? Is it possible for a vampire to have faith?" > LC: "That's a strange question at this moment in time." > Nick: "Have you ever had faith in anything but yourself?" > LC: "I have seen too much." > Nick: "Then maybe I haven't seen enough." > LC: "After nearly 800 years? Nicholas, be done with her. Time heals > all - we must move on. You cannot deny what you are." > To me, this is where Nick truly separates from LaCroix. Nick accepts and still has faith. > Nick: "She had faith in me ... in what's beyond. That we could have a life > together. That this would would be a beginning ... not an end..." > > He walks back and sits down, holding the *stake*. > > Nick: "I have that faith too." > Faith confirmed.... > LC (as we come full circle to the teaser): "Don't be foolish, Nicholas. > Life is a gift. As sweet as the freshest peach, as precious as a gilded > jewel. ...... > Or will it burn you like the morning sun? Are the sounds you hear > the trumpeting of St. Peter's angels ... or the screams of Memnoch's > tortured souls? You can't answer that, can you? Because you will never > know the answer until after the deed is done. Is your faith really that > strong?" > > Nick remains silent. > > LC (trying to suppress his hurt): "And so ... in your eyes ... I'm the Devil." > > That evokes a reaction. Nick stands and faces him. > > Nick: "No. Not the Devil, LaCroix." > > LC: "What then?" > > Nick: "You ... are my closest friend." As he speaks, he hands LC the stake. I leave this one up to the rest of your to discuss... the Nick/LaCroix relatonship.... > > Nick kneels beside Natalie's body ... reaches out and takes her hand, his > back to LC. > > LC: (sotto) "Damn you, Nicholas." > > He hoists the stake in one smooth motion. Cut to the exterior of the loft, > then the sunrise. > An interesting ending.... leaving everything up in the air.... and many doors open. Does LaCroix do it? I'm not even convinced that Nat is dead yet. Do Nick and Nat both die, and meet in the next life to live happily after? Much as some people may disagree with me, I actually liked this ending. Sure, I would have preferred the storybook happily ever after ending. But, at the same time, IMHO, this would have made it more difficult to bring back another season or make the upcoming movies. This way leaves the door open to alot of possibilities (including alot of great fan fiction). (And it's sure better than the Romeo and Juliet end originally posted in the spoilers). So, yes it's over. This season. This chapter closes. Is the show over? Absolutely not. This season finale / series finale was riveting, amazing, a masterpiece of film making (acting, directing, editing, sound, cinematography) and we should all feel proud to have been privy to and part of it all. It's late and this message is rather long enough as it is. (Already preparing to duck the flames). I usually don't post messages about episodes, but this one really moved me. Mel Moser N&NPacker, moser@clark.net Check out my Forever Knight Fan Fiction page at: http://www.clark.net/pub/moser/fkfanfic.htm From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 03:21 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA00090 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 03:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 9DDA1994 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 3:15:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199605170721.DAA00090@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:13:36 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Apache Subject: SPOILER: Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR In-Reply-To: <199605170635.CAA22398@cais.cais.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1545 Status: RO X-Status: I'm going to leave spoiler space, since lots of people won't see it until Saturday. * * * * * * * * * * * * Frankly, it was a worse experience than I thought it would be. I'd read the script. I even liked the Gotterdammerrung "everyone dies and Lacroix takes over for the fat lady and sings one last little aria" way the script was originally written -- except for the 'tale of woe/Juliet and her Romeo' tag -- I guess I have a weakness for operatic moves. The script remains my favorite part. With exception of Nigel Bennett, who plays a once-again-reserved Lacroix (his world-weary, "oh, I hope you thought this through" is *so* parental and resigned) I don't like how it was acted, and I don't like how it was shot. But I mean *like* -- not "I don't respect." They made choices that I can't feel any affection for, and on a first viewing, I can't even see through the emotional response to a cooler technical one. It's interesting that GWD, who directed, gave himself some really unflattering closeups; he really does seem to be a man without vanity. Catherine Disher's reading of the "bite me, bite me please" speech absolutely stood everything I thought I understood about Natalie Lambert right on its head. She played the scene exactly like she played Natalie's fantasy sequence while reading the vampire novel in the vampire-novelist episode last year ("Stranger than Fiction"?). Oh well. This never happened . Someone thought FK could be killed? Nah -- it's "far too old and powerful." Apache From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 02:59 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA27663 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 02:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 44963CC0 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 2:59:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199605170659.CAA27663@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 02:57:55 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Beth Brown Subject: Spoiler - Last Knight (from someone who has seen it) To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1353 Status: RO X-Status: Spoiler space > > > > > > > > > > Well. I have finally seen it. So I finally read the spoiler posts. Honestly, until the last segment, I was thinking it wasn't going so badly. Thinking, maybe they *did* make the ending a little better. In my mind, I thought maybe they would have taken out the part about Nick asking to be staked, that the ambiguity at the end would have more to do with whether or not he had brough Nat across. So, boy was I upset! But the part where I lost it was when Nick said to LaCroix, " you are my closest friend." What a revolution from where things were in the beginning! Such a sacrifice on LaCroix' part; to be willing to assist in Nick's death because it is what he wants. I suppose there is wiggle room here; after all, Nat wasn't dead yet. Maybe just as LaCroix was going to stake Nick, she moved. I don't know. It's 2:30 am, and I am still shook up, I can't really think straight. One humorous note: A while back, there was a thread as to when everybody's birthday was. Well, we know Natalie's now - it's April 14. And Tracy. I, for one, am glad that she got to know Nick's secret, even if it was because she was being killed off. I know I have many more thoughts floating around in my head, but it's going to take some time to get coherent. Why did it have to end (?) this way? Beth bkbva@aol.com From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 02:35 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA25531 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 02:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 06DF61B8 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 2:35:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199605170635.CAA25531@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 02:34:15 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: "" Subject: Last Knight (Maybe a little spoiler) To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1588 Status: RO X-Status: Hi everybody. I don't usually post here. (I've gotten too accustomed to just lurking around and listening) But I just want to give a small opinion about Last Knight which I copied off satellite on Sunday night. I have to admit that I am now watching LK for the third time and I find that I dislike it a little less every time I see it. I don't think it will ever be one of my favorite eps but it sort of grows on you. To be honest the writing really sucks but GWD's direction almost saves the day. But the real saving grace here is the acting. Nigel is as good as ever but GWD and CD really get the chance to shine and do they ever take advantage of that chance! Both manage to show three seasons of love and the anguish of love unrealised in their body language and facial expressions that the words don't. Maybe the best way to see this episode is from the view of an undying romantic like myself. Real love, the truest of loves, like that between Nick and Nat, is so strong that it can exist not only through this lifetime but into the next. Yes, there is disappointment that we didn't get a cure for Nick or a different resolution of any kind, but we have to take what we have been given and make the best of this awful situation. OBTW, did anyone else catch the little statement that it was Sony that asked for the ending of Last Knight to be altered to something more ambiguous? Maybe they didn't want it to be so final after all. Hmmmm. Going quietly back to lurking, Charlotte Born Romantic, therefore Born Nick&NatPacker From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue May 14 16:48 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10291 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 8C8109BA ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:04:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199605142047.QAA10291@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:01:47 EDT Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Tanya Smith Subject: Last Knight--Peaches? To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 159 Status: RO X-Status: "life is like a ripe peach" sounds goofy to me. Sounds like "Life is like a box of chocolates..." Forrest Gump. We could call Lacroix Forest Grump. (-; Tanya From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Thu May 16 16:53 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA00500 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 16:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 95395843 ; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:19:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199605162053.QAA00500@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:28:21 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Karen Stortz Subject: dysfunctional relationships, Francesca, Last Knight (long) To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3360 Status: RO X-Status: Possible "Last Knight" spoilers near end of this post! The dysfunctional relationship between Nick and LaCroix in the present is certainly an amusing diversion, but it's hardly the main attraction of the series for me. The attraction of the series is that it has the potential (or at least, it once had it) to seriously explore the larger issues: faith, mysticism, rationality, good vs. evil, life vs. existence, afterlife vs. oblivion--dealing with how those elusive concepts are first defined and then manifested. Most FK episodes play with those concepts in one way or another without truly exploring them. "Francesca," for instance, is fun to watch. It does deal with the recincarnation not only of souls, but of those soul's biases towards good/evil, but it doesn't really explore the idea of the timeless preservation of good or evil, it merely (rather too openly) states the possibility and plays with it for a while. As I said, it IS fun to watch. The performances are excellent, the casting is excellent, and Nigel's direction is excellent. As far as the story exploring the concepts it presents, however, it's pretty much an appetizer with no meal backing it up. "Cherry Blossoms," on the other hand, has that elusive quality, substance. It deals with what happens when an immortal vampire is found again by a mortal enemy, but more than that, it revolves around the damage and danger inherent in what we DON'T notice in what we can see all around us, no matter how many other things we DO notice. That theme permeates not only the sub-plot with Nick and the old man, but the investigation of the hitmen as well. This theme is not once stated as dialogue. Sure, the FX in this episode are ridiculously cheesy, but the story itself has DEPTH. I miss that. In the day-to-day rush to put food on the table, drop off or pick up the dry cleaning, cover daycare when the kid's school is out, remember to get to the bank BEFORE I have to do it with groceries melting in the car, (dang, I forgot to go to the post awful), not to mention the really stressful stuff like finally getting through school, going through a divorce, and trying to find REAL employment, I enjoyed being able to collapse in front of the idiot box once a week and be effortlessly (at least, on my part) reminded that those ideas are not only still there, but that I am still able to think about them, and that ultimately, hope is found in them. As I've said, I miss that. Please don't slam those of us who think the earlier stuff was better. After reading the "Last Knight" spoilers, we are as disappointed as anyone else. I, for one, was hoping against hope that they would use the opportunity of KNOWING they were making the FINAL episode to revive the depth, the hope, and some of the sophistication of the earlier storytelling (minus cheesy FX). I haven't seen it yet, but based on the spoiler postings, I'd have to say they've come full circle in a way we never expected: depicting a triumph of despair and loss over hope, and failure where there should have been success is perhaps a more true reflection of the series overall than any of our individual favorite episodes could be. And when it's all said and done and the final ep has aired, maybe we can sit back smugly and say to ourselves, "They think they just DID something? We coulda had a V-8!" Karen From owner-forkni-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 01:33 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA17937 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 01:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 4EB73133 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 1:33:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199605170533.BAA17937@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:31:18 -0400 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show Sender: Forever Knight TV show From: Nathanial Cook Subject: Re: The Last Supper . . . To: Multiple recipients of list FORKNI-L Content-Type: text Content-Length: 412 Status: RO X-Status: To all who are interested: I'm going to be quite busy this weekend, so I'll be nomail until Saturday night or so. If I don't reply, it ain't nuttin' personal. 'Kay? And yes, I can say "Lacroix" -- I just don't want to. (Prove to me it's spelled that way!) Well, I'll be seeing you all after this Friday's ordeal. Wish me luck. NAT!!! ("We who are about to die salute you" Raven) NatRobin@AOL.com From owner-forkni-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 02:14 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA22670 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 02:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id FCD50553 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 2:14:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199605170614.CAA22670@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:14:50 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show Sender: Forever Knight TV show From: Dee Davidson Subject: IRC Channel for Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FORKNI-L Content-Type: text Content-Length: 936 Status: RO X-Status: Hi all!!! I wanted to pass along that we on Efnet will be putting up a seperate channel on IRC for Last Knight spoilers. The channel will be called #fkspoilers, as for when it will be up I have no idea but stop in #ForeverKnight and someone can let you know if there is anyone there or not. I will be there tomorrow, no doubt I will probably be needing a shoulder to cry on because I get to see Last Knight at 3:30am tonight on KPDX (for you PDX ppl). The reason we are putting up this channel is because there are a few people that haven't seen the ep yet and some will not be able to see it for sometime and would like to surprised but for those who can't wait or need a shoulder to cry on your are more than welcome, even if you don't your still welcome. Hope to see some of you there. Dee * Cousin * Valentine * Diviant * TEDT * (not to mention a few other choice words) --IRC Channel repelent and all around pain-in-the-a** :) From owner-forkni-l@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 03:39 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA01548 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 03:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id E3E63235 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 3:39:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199605170739.DAA01548@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:39:01 -0800 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show Sender: Forever Knight TV show From: Muldy Sculler Subject: Re: IRC Channel for Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FORKNI-L In-Reply-To: <9605170614.AA20744@aurora.alaska.edu> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 425 Status: RO X-Status: Dee, Thank you for having concern for those of us who have yet to see the very last episode. I just read someone's painful comments--the entire message was a spoiler. However, this guy was in such pain and so angry I was afraid to point out the spoiler rule. I, for example, will not see "Last Knight" until Sunday, 19 May, 11:00p. Barbara P.S. Smiley's next time I come in from the bush the video is in the mail to you. From soulseek@sprynet.com Fri May 17 04:32 EDT 1996 Received: from m2.sprynet.com (m2.sprynet.com [165.121.1.99]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA05990 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 04:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.174.136.60] (ad09-060.compuserve.com [199.174.136.60]) by m2.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA12747; Fri, 17 May 1996 01:26:50 -0700 From: soulseek@sprynet.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:26:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199605170826.BAA12747@m2.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: N&N Loop (Last Knight) To: asnelson@indiana.edu, acapozzi@wellesley.edu, AMORG@aol.com, egardner@facstaff.wisc.edu, CKrumtum@gnn.com, jclemens@world.std.com, bonney@interpath.com, Claudius@NETRIDE.COM, criss@marlboro.edu, fiorini@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU, dgthomas@ix.netcom.com, phase3@gate.net, dottir@wsii.com, efriedm1@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu, ILCzJules@aol.com, jasonl@cnwl.igs.net, shalott@chattanooga.net, dukarsja@udmercy.edu, RICHARD@iclnet.co.uk, jtfolden@erinet.com, Baigneuse@aol.com, lplummer@interlink.com, LoriArgyll@aol.com, lydiam@singnet.com.sg, d_Roberts@msn.com, moser@clark.net, catspaw@cruzio.com, rfulton@directnet.net, swells@phoenix.atticus.com, TGill10669@aol.com, valworth@aol.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 1024 Status: RO X-Status: <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: Jason Leger To: "'soulseek@sprynet.com'" Subject: N&N Loop (Last Knight) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:45:48 -0400 Was anyone else completely and totally dissapointed with this episode, or was it just me. Nothing was really resolved. Is this what we all wanted to see? It was a good episode, but not a good final episode. Two friends who watched it with me kept asking "are you sure this is the last one". My answer "I think so". A little more knowledge of Lacroix's origins. A pathetic and ridiculous end to Vachon and Tracy's relationship. Urs in it to be nothing more than a victim. Nothing between Nick and Nat that we haven't all seen hundreds of times before. So like my friends asked me, I now ask of you. You guys sure this is it? Cause if it was.......well.....something about going out with a wimper comes to mind. Jayson <---- End Forwarded Message ----> From soulseek@sprynet.com Fri May 17 16:15 EDT 1996 Received: from m2.sprynet.com (m2.sprynet.com [165.121.1.99]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA25101 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.174.143.27] (dd01-027.compuserve.com [199.174.143.27]) by m2.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10202; Fri, 17 May 1996 13:07:40 -0700 From: soulseek@sprynet.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:07:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199605172007.NAA10202@m2.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: N&N loop (Last Knight) To: asnelson@indiana.edu, acapozzi@wellesley.edu, AMORG@aol.com, egardner@facstaff.wisc.edu, CKrumtum@gnn.com, jclemens@world.std.com, bonney@interpath.com, Claudius@NETRIDE.COM, criss@marlboro.edu, fiorini@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU, dgthomas@ix.netcom.com, phase3@gate.net, dottir@wsii.com, efriedm1@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu, ILCzJules@aol.com, jasonl@cnwl.igs.net, shalott@chattanooga.net, dukarsja@udmercy.edu, RICHARD@iclnet.co.uk, jtfolden@erinet.com, Baigneuse@aol.com, lplummer@interlink.com, LoriArgyll@aol.com, lydiam@singnet.com.sg, d_Roberts@msn.com, moser@clark.net, catspaw@cruzio.com, rfulton@directnet.net, swells@phoenix.atticus.com, TGill10669@aol.com, valworth@aol.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 1102 Status: RO X-Status: A <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: ILCzJules@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:24:23 -0400 To: soulseek@sprynet.com Subject: N&N loop spoilr LK I have a couple of bits of information on Last Knight (LK): 1st) TV GUIDE, in a moment of insightit would seem, give FK an episode write-up for this week. At least in the Chicago Metro edition-shown Sat. CBS CHNL 2, 11:35-12:35. It states: What I found odd was that it mentions neither, Season nor Series Finale.-- Which leads me to whatI saw on FKSPOILR 5-16-96.--This was apparently accurate, per Laurie, who says she's seen LK. I read the entire Last Knight episode. we're talking word for word (12 printed pages). If it IS shown as was written there.. it ends much more resembling a cliffhanger than a wrap.--If that be, my dear souls, hope for resurrection is TRULY an option. The fight MUST continue! Illinois Jules <---- End Forwarded Message ----> From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 16:51 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02920 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id BF9000A2 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:09:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199605172051.QAA02920@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:19:39 EDT Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Lisa McDavid Subject: Spoiler: Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 375 Status: RO X-Status: The Bust, Take 2: Or, the Enforcers didn't mind, but LaCroix saw the thing in one of those museum reproduction stores and with his sense of humor, just had to have it. I suspect at least one of the Raven's younger vampire staffers got staked for adding a stuffed raven to it at some point. :) Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble." Lisa McDavid mcdavid-lisa@scarolina.edu From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 17:57 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA18217 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 17:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 3E0B2266 ; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:49:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199605172157.RAA18217@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:19:52 CDT Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Bruce Rawitch Subject: SPOILER/Sort of-Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3507 Status: RO X-Status: Friends, Romans, Countrymen...... We come not to praise FK, but to bury it....!??! People, People, come on now-I have seen more non-productive angnst and emoting over LK than when they cancelled the show! We need to look at the positives- 1) I saw a posting from that good lady who posted the script for LK that some- body, probabaly a sony exec called and TOLD the FK folks to make the ending more ambigious. So now we have an unknown ending-LC holding the stake over Nick, Nat out cold, but not dead yet... and none of the totally definitative "No one lives, No one loves, everybody dies" ending we were originally expec ting. 2) The fact that some higher up took the interest in FK to have the ending made more ambigious indicated to me that they still see it as a viable property and didn't want future development options destroyed by a definite ending. With the "ambigious" ending, they can continue the series, or got the Alien Nation route, 2hr tv movies every few years.... 3) With the ambigious ending, it's far more likely that any future FK efforts that are made will be with the *same* cast-God spare us from a "FK-the next generation" 4) With FK airing on the Sci-Fi channel at a reasonable hour we will be picking up a whole new audience-especially when they begin to rerun season 1- for people like me who were brought across late in second season (first ep I rem- ber was A More Permamant Hell-and WHAM! I was hooked), I still have all of those 1st season eps and most of 2nd season to look forward to-and many more people will be joining the ranks of FK fandom-and when they find out that the show was cancelled, they will swell the ranks of SOS-FK....you get the picture. 5) If you're MAD about LK, don't write the list (well, do write to the list), but write to Sony, Sci-Fi channel, Tri-Star (blech), donate to the FK causes like the Pediatric Aid foundation, tell'em it's from FK-fold cranes- look up the SOS-FK page and DO something-don't just be a brick and angnst about it ;) 6) Lastly, I haven't see LK yet, just read the script online, but I will think of it this way- LC says "Damn you Nicholas", stakes him to the floor (thru the shoulder, or other non-critical body part-take your choice y;}) and then Lacroix brings Natalie across....What better way could he think of to control Nick than to bring across his mortal love as LC's fledgling? Just my take on things....It's what the 'responsible' parent would do, making the hard decsion for his child who lacks the strength to make the hard choice himself. (Ashes to Ashes really changed *my* take on LC) Whew! didn't know I had that much pent up on this.... I now return you to your regularly scheduled spoilers. Looking Forward to seeing Last Knight this Sunday Knight/Monday Morning at 12:30 am in Kansas City... Where I appear to be the only online FK fan-still looking more FK fans here in town... Cheers Bruce ____________________________________________ \ I've always felt that you can get more \ _ ______ | \ with a kind word and a 2x4 than you can \ / \___-=O`/|O`/__| \ with just a kind word..... \_______\ / | / ) / / `/-==__ _/__|/__=-| / Marcus the Ranger/ Babylon 5 / * \ | | /___________________________________________/ (o) From soulseek@sprynet.com Fri May 17 19:54 EDT 1996 Received: from m2.sprynet.com (m2.sprynet.com [165.121.1.99]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA10299 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 19:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.174.137.30] (ad10-030.compuserve.com [199.174.137.30]) by m2.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17986; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:44:58 -0700 From: soulseek@sprynet.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:44:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199605172344.QAA17986@m2.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: N&N loop (Last Knight -- A new idea...) To: asnelson@indiana.edu, acapozzi@wellesley.edu, AMORG@aol.com, egardner@facstaff.wisc.edu, CKrumtum@gnn.com, jclemens@world.std.com, bonney@interpath.com, Claudius@NETRIDE.COM, criss@marlboro.edu, fiorini@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU, dgthomas@ix.netcom.com, phase3@gate.net, dottir@wsii.com, efriedm1@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu, ILCzJules@aol.com, jasonl@cnwl.igs.net, shalott@chattanooga.net, dukarsja@udmercy.edu, RICHARD@iclnet.co.uk, jtfolden@erinet.com, Baigneuse@aol.com, lplummer@interlink.com, LoriArgyll@aol.com, lydiam@singnet.com.sg, d_Roberts@msn.com, moser@clark.net, catspaw@cruzio.com, rfulton@directnet.net, swells@phoenix.atticus.com, TGill10669@aol.com, valworth@aol.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 1192 Status: RO X-Status: <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 16:53:36 -0400 To: soulseek@sprynet.com From: bonney@interpath.com (Chana Rossman) Subject: Re: N&N loop (Last Knight -- A new idea...) I realize that many of us are saddened by the events which occur in Last Knight. As I ponder this, I had an idea (ohh, dangerous). I thought I'd ask your opinions before I posted to the list at large. What if the list were to have a formal fanfic contest in which writers had to come up with a "reasonable outcome" based on the events in Last Knight? (Of course people's ideas of a "reasonable outcome" may be different. Somehow I suspect a N&Ner would choose a different outcome than say a Cousin or a member of the Nat Vamp Camp. But then that could be part of the fun.) Of course, organizing it would be a challenge. Some folks would have to agree to judge the entries. It would be great if some prizes could be awarded. But the entire process might get people looking at the bright side of things again. So, what do you all think? Good idea? Bad idea? Chana bonney@interpath.com * I have been one acquainted with the [K]night * <---- End Forwarded Message ----> From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Fri May 17 22:49 EDT 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA07760 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 22:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 83B4D27E ; Fri, 17 May 1996 22:49:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199605180249.WAA07760@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:42:44 -0700 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List From: Antonia Spadafina Subject: Spoiler: Last Knight To: Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR Content-Type: text Content-Length: 809 Status: RO X-Status: Hi all-- Sarah quoted Melanie as follows: > Regarding Nat's belief that death isn't the end: > A very interesting insight into Nat, seeing as she has had trouble > believing in ghosts and reincarnation in the past? ===I think the point is not that Nat didn't believe in ghosts, reincarnation, etc, so much as she didn't want to admit it to anyone. Remember, she tells Nick in Francesca that she ..."believes in ten impossible things before breakfast, including you." Also, in DoN, she tells Nick that she had a "spiritual experience", but she's going to "take the 5th" if asked about the goings-on. And I agree with Sarah's MHO that OtL was one of the best episodes extant. (I'm partial, since that was my first episode...). Trepidatiously awaiting the airing of Last Knight, Toni Knightie from NYC From owner-fkspoilr@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Sat May 18 13:25 EDT 1996 Received: from wnt.dc.lsoft.com (wnt.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.7]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06644 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 13:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by wnt.dc.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.003A9E90@wnt.dc.lsoft.com>; Sat, 18 May 1996 13:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199605181725.NAA06644@mail.Clark.Net> Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 13:23:18 -0500 Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Sender: Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List Fro